http://www.ssbits.com/home/ http://www.ssbits.com/snippets/2010/getting-items-from-a-has-many-or-many-many-relation/#PageComment_1220 Great bit of code! I'm actually trying to use this in some conditional logic to check if a relationship exists, but it doesn't seem to be working in the way I'd hoped. Here's what I'm trying: $groups = DataObject::get("Group"); if($follower = $groups->Followers("FollowerID = '2'")){ // work with Follower ID 2 } Groups have a many_many relationship with Followers, so I was expecting a DataObject or a false return, but I'm not getting a false if the relationship doesn't exist. I can go about things in a different (albeit more long winded way), but to put my mind at rest, is what I'm trying to do possible? RSSName http://www.ssbits.com/snippets/2010/getting-items-from-a-has-many-or-many-many-relation/#PageComment_1220 http://www.ssbits.com/snippets/2010/getting-items-from-a-has-many-or-many-many-relation/#PageComment_253 I got the merge function to work. But still is there a better way... Something that is built in to sapphire maybe? RSSName http://www.ssbits.com/snippets/2010/getting-items-from-a-has-many-or-many-many-relation/#PageComment_253 http://www.ssbits.com/snippets/2010/getting-items-from-a-has-many-or-many-many-relation/#PageComment_252 I have come across what I assume is a rare case where I have a self many to many relationship on a dataobject. So the dataobject has got two relationships a many_many and a belongs_many_many with its self. If I name both of the relationships the same then only the many_many seems to work (when calling it)... If I name them differently then I can only access one at a time. I have tried to create a function that merges them but that isn't working so far, but I thought I would post here to see if you guys know what the best way would be to retrieve both sides of the relationship with this type of relationship? Thanks Liam RSSName http://www.ssbits.com/snippets/2010/getting-items-from-a-has-many-or-many-many-relation/#PageComment_252 http://www.ssbits.com/snippets/2010/getting-items-from-a-has-many-or-many-many-relation/#PageComment_54 lol sorry Dan, credit added! :) RSSName http://www.ssbits.com/snippets/2010/getting-items-from-a-has-many-or-many-many-relation/#PageComment_54 http://www.ssbits.com/snippets/2010/getting-items-from-a-has-many-or-many-many-relation/#PageComment_53 What a great little bit of code! How did you stumble across this? RSSName http://www.ssbits.com/snippets/2010/getting-items-from-a-has-many-or-many-many-relation/#PageComment_53